Mindy: Today’s episode is about how you can have nice things even when you can’t afford to buy them.
Scott: Yeah, we we booked Kyle William today because so many of us in the Bigger Pockets Money community and the FIRE community are just super frugal and may go really long stretches without the nice things in life while we kind of, in some cases, grind our way towards financial freedom. Um, that can include giving up things like a nice kitchen, a nice bathroom, nice furniture, or other aesthetic stuff. So for example, I’m guilty of this. I spent 10 years living in progressively less tiny duplexes, interrupted by one stint as a renter. Um, and Mindy, I think has done 11 live-in flips in her life. Uh, I might s- venture to say that you could have spent almost half of your adult life living in a construction zone, um, that you’re working on.
Mindy: I would agree with that, Scott. Kyla is here to show us that it’s not an either or. And if you like nice things, living in a beautiful space, having top notch luxury items, like designer furniture, you can have that and still save and pursue financial independence. Heck, you can even make money while you build out that perfect home environment.
Mindy: Hello, hello, hello and welcome to the Bigger Pockets Money podcast. My name is Mindy Jensen and with me as always is my not mid-century modern co-host, Scott Trench.
Scott: I may not be mid-century modern, but you are my MCM co-host. Money co-host, Mindy. All right. Let’s do it.
Mindy: Oh, I love it.
Scott: All right. We’re here to make financial independence less scary, less just for somebody else, to introduce you to every money story because we truly believe financial freedom is attainable for everyone, no matter when or where you’re starting.
Mindy: Kyle William, welcome to the Bigger Pockets Money podcast. I am so excited to talk to you today.
Guest: Yeah, thank you for having me. I’m also, uh, you know, very excited to to have this conversation and, uh, and to, uh, yeah, share this space today.
Mindy: You are primarily on TikTok making videos showing everybody the awesome things that they can do. And the first video that I saw of yours was one where you used a comment that said, your problem is not that you’re poor, it’s that you suck at being poor. If you want nice stuff, you’re going to have to take some old stuff and make it nice. Can you tell us a little bit more about what you mean by this?
Guest: Yeah, yeah, I I really loved that that audio that was trending um for a certain uh time on TikTok and, you know, I think that it really um just relates to me and the work I do because uh I love furniture and interior design and and the history of these things, but you know, I can’t afford, you know, the the brand new things or the um, you know, from from, you know, the the vintage stores and it can, you know, stores like that. So, you know, I have to find things, you know, on the street, on Facebook marketplace and, um, you know, and I make them what they should be or what they could be. And uh, you know, that mentality, I think really helps me a lot, uh, you know, in terms of, uh, you know, really being true to my my design aesthetic, but, you know, staying true to my budget and my wallet as well.
Mindy: I think that’s really important because a lot of people are like, ooh, this is really cute, I’ll figure out how to pay for it later. No, figure out how to pay for it now. And if you can’t afford it now, then figure out a way to obtain it without paying top dollar. I love it. I love the upcycle, I love the recycle, I love the just making it new. And I’m super fascinated with how you’re you’re finding these items.
Guest: Yeah, you know, it kind of my my uh interest in this really started uh when I was living in New York and there’s a big stooping culture, which is, you know, finding things just that people leave on the sidewalk in the street and, you know, just taking it home and and making it new again or cleaning it up. And uh, you know, so I started doing that and then I found, you know, Facebook marketplace and Craigslist and, you know, these places where people are just trying to get rid of stuff, you know, they they don’t need it anymore. It’s a little broken, they don’t know how to fix it. So they just get rid of it and sometimes they don’t know the the real value of it. Sometimes maybe they don’t care, but you know, those are the opportunities where I swoop in and, you know, I find things that I’ve been looking for for such a long time or that I know can resell at a really high price. And, you know, that’s uh, you know, those are the main avenues that I look for.
Scott: When did this start? How did you develop this mentality?
Guest: Yeah, um, honestly from a a very young age, I uh, you know, started making my own furniture. Um, you know, I wanted a bed frame and I couldn’t find anything online that looked like that, so I just found my my mom’s old saw and got some wood from Home Depot and just put it together and, you know, I realized that I really loved having personal touches on everything in my space and uh, you know, so I just started, um, started doing that and then I got to college and got to my first like adult apartment and I realized everything is very expensive. You know, I looked for a couch for the first time and I saw that even at places like IKEA or Target, you know, they were still 600 to $1,000 and you know, I just genuinely couldn’t afford that, but I still needed a couch. So, you know, I had to to make it work by sourcing it other other places.
Mindy: We’ll be back after the break. And when we’re back, we’ll be breaking down the skills you need to start fixing and flipping furniture and make decent money doing it.
Scott: And we’re back. Kyle William is telling us all about how you can start a side gig finding old furniture and flipping it for a sizable profit.
Mindy: So, let’s talk about the process of flipping furniture. It sounds super awesome. You just find something old, you make it look beautiful. There’s more to it than that, I know, because I’ve I’ve done it, I haven’t flipped it. I’ve just rehabbed it for my own self. Walk us through uh one of your most recent flips. Uh first of all, where do you find where did you find it? And is there a lot of competition for this?
Guest: Yeah, um, you know, so I I think my most recent flip uh it was something from Facebook marketplace. I spend a lot of time on Facebook marketplace and you know, there there are uh competition. Sometimes I’ll see something that I know will be an amazing find and it’s been up for 30 minutes and I message the the buyer or the seller and they’re already saying, ‘Oh, it’s sold.’ And so sometimes, and this is like in the middle of the day on a Tuesday. So, you know, sometimes there is uh, you know, some people have the same eye and they’re after the same things and you just sometimes have to get to it first and sometimes you luck out. Um but my most recent thing, I found this um this vintage uh lane, which is a um, you know, pretty sought after furniture brand. Uh re- resells for really high prices, uh vintage lane record player or record cabinet. And um I got it for like 60 bucks. It has one broken hinge, so they just didn’t want to they just didn’t either know how to repair it or didn’t weren’t interested in learning. So, um, you know, that’s a great opportunity for me because these resell for in the thousands sometimes and and good enough condition. So, you know, it’s really about finding the right pieces, kind of taking the gamble with paying for it, but you know, knowing the potential for it.
Scott: So how did that one turn out?
Guest: Um that one I’m actually still in the middle with. I I just got it recently, but that’s the one I’m most excited about. Um, uh, you know, but in general, um, you know, some of these pieces that uh are a little higher quality, they take a little longer to sell, so you do have to be patient, you know, especially if you’re wanting, you know, these these higher prices for them. But uh, you know, I did get a cabinet by the same um maker for free just because it was so big, they didn’t know how to move it, they were moving. Uh so they just gave it away for free and I ended up selling it for I think $700. Um, you know, so it really is just, um, you know, uh being there when people are giving it away and and knowing what to do with it after.
Scott: All right, let’s deconstruct this $700 gain here. So somebody’s moving, they post a Facebook marketplace that they got this cabinet. You know it’s valuable and you show up and you move it. How much you have to pay to store it, keep it, rehab it, refurbish it or whatever to get it ready to sell for this $700 gain and how much time does that take?
Guest: Yeah, a great question. Um, moving it, uh, you know, it it’s it’s I find very creative ways to fit large things in my car. Um, so with this one it was just kind of two
Scott: What do you drive?
Guest: Uh I drive um an SV an SUV VW. It has a big enough of a trunk, but you know, sometimes it’s duct taping the uh, the the trunk closed because, you know, something doesn’t fit perfectly or taking multiple trips. but you know, I am very frugal when it comes to also kind of getting things places. I I never buy a U-haul, I never, um, you know, pay extra money for for shipping or anything. So I just try to make it work. Um, and you know, so with a with a this piece specifically, it didn’t need a lot of work. Um, so I didn’t spend too much on fixing it up. Um, but uh, yeah, in terms of of storing it, uh, my apartment is kind of littered with these projects. I I keep them all just on hand. I have a backyard that I I fix them up in. but, you know, on a on a very busy uh week or month, uh, right now, there’s just a few pieces just around me right now. It gets a little hectic, so I try to have a quick turnaround as much as possible.
Scott: I think you’re the only person I’ve talked to in 500 episodes of the Bigger Pockets Money podcast that should be driving a pickup truck. Uh at some point. So, maybe maybe one day after a few of these flips. Um Yeah. Sorry, what part of the world do you live in right now?
Guest: I’m currently in California.
Scott: Okay, so you’re in California. You you you this wouldn’t have worked in New York City. You would have had to have some other type of arrangement in order to flip this kind of furniture at that point.
Guest: Yeah, when I was in New York, um, it was mainly, you know, I couldn’t sand furniture necessarily, so it was mainly painting or scraping. Um and, you know, in terms of getting things places, it was an Uber XL, it was care- asking a friend to help you carry it 10 blocks. Um so or taking it on the subway sometimes. So it was a creative process maybe more so when I was living back in New York.
Scott: So so how long did it take you to sell this cabinet that we were just talking about?
Guest: Um yeah, the cabinet we were just talking about. Um I I posted it on um some of the uh more uh kind of vintage collection places like First Dibs and uh that’s where you kind of sell a higher price item. Sometimes Facebook marketplace people are wanting slightly cheaper things. So um in order to get more more for it, you have to kind of put it on sites like this. Uh First Dibs, uh Second Hand, a a few places like that. And I think this one took a few weeks um to to sell and so it was just kind of sitting in my living room. but um, you know, when it did, um a buyer actually in the same city, because you know, those these are, um, kind of global sites, so you can offer shipping and and whatnot. But someone in the same city, um, offered to buy it and so I just I just drove it to them and that kind of cut out the any middleman and that was kind of the best case scenario.
Mindy: What types of furniture are you looking for and is there anything that you would absolutely not touch?
Guest: Mhm. Yeah, um, so types of furniture, uh mid-century modern is the most popular, any MCM is the abbreviation if you’re scrolling through Facebook marketplace. A lot of things say they’re mid-century modern, but that either just means that they’re in the style, but really they’re they’re made out of like plywood from IKEA or they’re um just not that style at all. So, you know, it is sometimes you have to know what to look for even even through uh filtering through the the catalog and mid-century modern already. Um, and, you know, anything, I like also smaller projects, so um smaller dressers, chairs, you know, because my space is only, you know, is is limited. So, um anything that’s uh too massive, I generally skip. Also like you mentioned, I don’t have a truck, so, um, these bigger things like hutches and uh dining tables, you know, I can’t can’t really prioritize.
Mindy: What is something that makes an amazing find?
Guest: Um, you know, it has to be, I mean, sometimes it’s the condition. Uh, you know, if something is really in good quality condition and I don’t have to do much to it, you know, that’s always the best case scenario. But um I mean, for me and like the journey I like to do with furniture, sometimes the worse the condition, the more fun it is for me personally. But um, in terms of a resale and kind of getting things out the door standpoint, less so. Um but, you know, it really is, you know, looking for those those vintage designers, um you know, really I found this Eames table and uh there’s Herman Miller and uh, you know, those bigger names that really um Thonet and uh kind of draw in uh a collectible crowd or an antiquing crowd. Um, that that’s what I try to look for when I when I am going through things, looking for the maker’s marks on on the furniture.
Mindy: Have you ever purchased or gotten for free a piece of furniture, you rehab it, you put it up on all of these sites and nobody wants it.
Guest: It is that only happened once. Um, luckily, uh there is generally a pretty quick turnaround and you know, every once in a while you have to lower the price like 10 to $20 and then maybe people are interested. Um, the only time was, you know, there was this piece, um, that I ended up just keeping for myself because I ended up actually liking it too much. But uh, it did just kind of sit in the um, is this still available messages and then you’d say yes, and then you’d be left uh left on red or you know, so people were interested but not interested enough. Um, which was unfortunate, but I didn’t I got it for free. So it wasn’t, um, it wasn’t kind of the biggest loss.
Mindy: And you’ve done this as a series and you share on your series on TikTok that you use this as side money to pay your rent. And I know you’ve publicly shared your rent. Uh but I I just love that you’re in California and and you’ve got this rent. What is your rent? How much are you paying in rent?
Guest: Okay, so, well, so my rent, the rent that I pay is 1400, but I do share a one bedroom apartment, um with my partner and we both pay 1400. So together we’re paying 2800, but I’m paying 1400. and um, which is still, you know, pretty pricey, uh maybe not necessarily for California. California is very expensive, but um, you know, it it is uh something that, you know, you do have to sell a lot of furniture or put in a lot of work in order to to reach that amount.
Mindy: And how many months have you been able to hit your goal of paying your rent using the money that you’re making through flipping furniture?
Guest: Yeah, so I started that journey um last year and I fully committed for one month and I was successful in doing so. Um and then it kind of went to the to the back burner a little bit more as just a side hustle, something to to be passionate about. But next month I’m I’m starting, I’m doing this same goal again. You know, so it is something that I have to have the mindset of, okay, this month I really do need to commit to, you know, spending my weekends, spending my afternoons and night times, uh, you know, really committing to finding, you know, sending hours on Facebook marketplace, um putting in the work on the projects I do get. Um so it is something you that I have to like go into with the mindset that I’m going to do that this month and when I did it, I was successful, so I’m gonna do it again next month and see how it goes as well.
Scott: So you you I understand have been building on this and taking these skills and actually now improving the house that you rent. Can you tell us a little bit about how that got started?
Guest: Mhm. Yeah, yeah, so, um, I live in a in a building that was built around the 1930s and that means that it has a lot of great details, but um sometimes those details have been painted over um just through years of um kind of switching between tenants and you know, sometimes details have been removed just to make it more commercial renter-friendly. Um, so I have just done kind of the process of uh, really, really small changes. just, you know, the hardware that’s been painted over just taking the paint off of it so you can see the the gold and the brass again and um adding, you know, peel and stick renter-friendly tiles in the kitchen um to add kind of character back to to the space. Uh, you know, I did these black and white vintage looking tiles, um, you know, because it felt more true to the space than the the like bland linoleum that was there.
Mindy: All right, we’re off to a quick break. When we return, Kyle will walk us through the improvements he’s making to his 1930s apartment.
Scott: We’re back, and we’re talking to Kyle William about how it doesn’t cost as much as you think to make improvements to your home, even when you’re just a tenant.
Mindy: Okay, I have to ask from a landlord’s perspective, did you get your landlord’s permission before you started making changes in the property?
Guest: Yeah, you know, I think it it’s really important to to have, um, you know, a connection with uh, you know, with what you’re doing and and asking permission and you know, all the things are are so small and they’re they’re you know, they’re things that can be, you know, you can paint over the hardware again. I can peel up the peel and stick uh tiles. You know, it’s it’s nothing that is really changing the foundation of the apartment and I I think that’s what’s important. You know, I’m not um kind of spending a lot on, you know, repainting the entire place, you know, actually redoing the countertops. So, you know, they’re they’re very small changes that um, you know, no one that aren’t permanent. I think that’s the important thing.
Mindy: Oh good. Okay. Uh great then we can continue this conversation because I really really like this, but also Bigger Pockets is primarily real estate investing and we mainly speak from the landlord’s perspective. And I understand wanting, you know, I watched that TikTok video where you pulled off the the door handle and the key hole cover or whatever and you you made them look much nicer. Half painted looks terrible, but uh you definitely want to get your landlord’s permission, which you did. So hurray. How did you learn how to do this? I mean, it’s one thing to think, oh, I’m going to scrape off this paint, but it’s another thing to actually get that that stuff out and start actually doing it.
Guest: Yeah, you know, I I think that I’ve just been inspired by, you know, other Tik Toks and and videos that I’ve seen online. Um, you know, I I’m in I think a niche on Tik Tok of of people who who live in old buildings and um who really do value the the character in the space that um, you know, sometimes gets forgotten over the years, but you know, when when you do just give a little bit more attention, you know, you can really bring the space back to life and you know, I like to just imagine, you know, what what was the kind of original intention with this space and how do I be as true to that as possible?
Scott: Awesome. And and do you feel like you’ve added value in which, you know, like do you think that a place that has the changes you’ve made would rent for more than you’re currently renting? Is that, is this like a way to kind of live your best life much more cheaply?
Guest: Yeah, you know, I I do think that, um, you know, some of the the changes that I’ve made, um, you know, would add value. You know, the the first thing that people say when they walk into my apartment is, wow, those floors in your kitchen are gorgeous. And, you know, those are just the peeling stick tiles that that I put down and, you know, they’re the first thing people are noticing now and, you know, I think that, you know, if if there was maybe effort put into, you know, putting real tiles that could stand the test of time there that, you know, the you could probably get more for this unit because it it adds so much more uh character and, you know, excitement to walking into the space for the first time.
Mindy: How do you feel about putting money into a property that you don’t own?
Guest: Yeah, you know, I think it it is really a balance. Like I said, you know, I’m not doing anything too big. You know, really, I was kind of thinking about it and I don’t think that I’ve spent more than maybe 200, 250 on all of the all of the changes I’ve made. You know, so so it’s not it’s not too much of a of a financial investment. I mean, obviously $200 is still money, but you know, it’s it’s for, um you know, it’s something that I’m looking at every day, something I’m seeing every day, interacting with. Um to me, regardless of where I am, it’s important to feel like I’m home and in the place that I am.
Mindy: Yeah, and I should have guessed that you would have done it on the uh less expensive side.
Guest: Yeah, yeah, I’m not not spending too much on on these updates for sure.
Mindy: So, you have a background in art. For someone who doesn’t but wants to start doing something like this, what are some of the beginner skills that you would recommend they learn how to do?
Guest: Yeah, you know, I I definitely, you know, like you said, I think my background in art helps. Um, but you know, it it was a lot of these skills I just had to learn from doing and uh, you know, I think the most important thing is, you know, starting with an interest in it. You know, because I I think there are a lot of people who come to me and they’re like, ‘Oh, I want to start doing this,’ but you know, they they don’t actually care about furniture, they don’t really care about finding the right things and knowing what to do with them and you know, so I think it does start from a, you know, ‘Are you interested in furniture? Is this something that will be exciting for you to to get to find these pieces and to say, I found this lane record uh cabinet’ and be excited about it? Because, you know, that takes away a lot of the work from this process, I think. It’s it’s more kind of fun and and exciting and um you know, in terms of uh skills, you know, they’re they’re just kind of basic skills of stripping paint, sanding furniture that do take some research and some time to be able to kind of figure out all the best ways to do it.
Scott: Awesome. Is there a cheat code um to help you find out more of this faster or or skip some of that learning curve?
Guest: Yeah, I mean TikTok. Um, you know, that’s honestly where I started uh a lot of my learning. You know, it’s these quick, you know, 60-second videos that will give you a rundown of, um, you know, what to uh, you know, what to do, how to start it. You know, if you type in, you know, furniture covered in paint, what to do, you know, you’ll find hundreds or thousands of examples of of people doing them in these really quick succession and you know, I I that was a valuable resource for me for sure.
Scott: I’d love to hear more of some of your best tips and tricks. Um, like how to make things shine, how to strip something and bring it back, bring that back the bronze or, you know, the the the the from the metal that’s been painted over for example. Could you give us a couple maybe like a rundown of your favorite ones that that you’ve kind of discovered for yourself over time?
Guest: Yeah, sure. You know, uh, I think the the kind of first and and most popular thing that that kind of one got me into furniture flipping but also my first kind of viral TikTok video was just using um, you know, this product citrus strip, uh which you kind of just put on any painted furniture, you know, leave it for 20 minutes to a few hours and then you just scrape it off and kind of all in one um move, you get kind of all the paint and all the varnish and stain even off if you do a few more layers. and um, you know, that that was kind of the best way to do things because um, I didn’t have a sander at the time. I didn’t uh, you know, probably couldn’t be sanding things because I I lived in an apartment building when I started that. and uh, you know, so that’s kind of maybe for the for the quieter um furniture flippers. Um, and you know, things like uh using, I try to use more natural products. Citrus strip has less kind of harsh chemicals, um, just because they can be kind of dangerous to work with, um, you know, especially inside, I try to never use those types of things inside. And um, another thing is is beeswax, that’s another kind of natural, um furniture polisher. You know, so if if it doesn’t need kind of all the stripping and and all of that, if I just want to polish it, I’ll use something like that, um just to to kind of buff a nice shine into it. Um, but you know, so those are kind of the more natural things I I tend to try to use just ’cause I I don’t want to be putting tons of uh chemicals and toxins into the into the atmosphere around me if I don’t have to.
Mindy: Awesome. What about what about something for metal? How would you get how would you kind of remove paint from a furniture with metal pieces?
Guest: Yeah, you know, so um, you know, one thing I love about TikTok is that um I learn from the people in the comments a lot. So, um I did learn that using a crock pot, you know, an old crock pot that I picked up at Goodwill for like $10, um you just put all the metal that’s been painted or rusted, you add some vinegar, some baking soda, um if not together but separately, um and you you cook it, uh, you know, just on a low heat for a few hours and you know, the rust will slide right off, the paint will slide right off. Um, you know, so that was such a an interesting um hack to to kind of utilize that I’ve been using a lot recently.
Mindy: If you are putting vinegar in a crock pot, stick that crock pot outside or in the garage because that is not going to be a pleasant aroma.
Guest: No, yeah, it’s definitely I think my windows were open and uh I I left the the I left uh kind of that space for for a few hours and and came back. but it was amazing to to see the how easy it was to work with after it had soaked in in that in that low level heat for for a few hours.
Mindy: I once cleaned my coffee pot with vinegar and I was like, oh, that is warm vinegar. That is a horrible smell. It I had to open up every window. It’s awful. Uh but that’s that’s a great tip. I didn’t know that and I’ve got some rusty stuff at my house, so I’m going to try that. Uh, just pro tip, if you’re going to do this and you decide that you’re not going to do it anymore, just throw the crock pot away. Don’t donate it back to the Goodwill.
Guest: No, yeah, you know, there’s uh, I wrote in big letters, you know, do not ever use for food on the side of it. And uh, you know, definitely not going to be donating it or anything. and um, yeah, you know, that reminded me, vinegar is in general great with wood as well. Um, a lot of these older pieces will stink, you know, they’ll have some some weird smells, uh, you know, just just from use and age and and wear and tear. and um, you know, vinegar on on old wood can do a lot of wonders with the smell, sometimes with stains as well. Um, so that’s again kind of a maybe not the best smelling, but you know, it’s a chemical free way to to kind of fix things up in in a way that, you know, super accessible too, you know, a bottle of vinegar is $2 at Costco.
Scott: I I just yeah, I I just hear this and I’m like, because because my mind always turns to real estate because I’m obsessed with real estate and can’t stop talking about it. I’m like, you’re going to have a field day one day with one of these like 1800s like late 1800s builds homes that haven’t been touched in a hundred years really with the updates and stuff. You’re just going to bring it completely back to life one of these years. I’m excited to see that if that ever if that ever if you ever get into that, if that ever happens. I just, I I I’m like, there’s all these like weird things like with the foundations and the, you know, the radiator and like all this stuff that I just think you’re going to be able to bring some magic in uh and life to if you ever get into that.
Guest: That is the dream at at one point, uh, you know, to to find a home that uh, you know, just really does need that that love and attention to to detail and um, you know, there there are a lot of different ways to to kind of work with those homes. Sometimes they do just need a gut job, but, you know, if you can find one where you can save as much of the original history as possible, you know, that’s what’s exciting to me.
Scott: Um, well one last question I think it’s pretty important here. What do you do for a day job while you’re not flipping furniture and finding all these tips and tricks on TikTok?
Guest: Yeah, um so I uh work in film and TV. Um, you know, I do kind of related. I I work in production design for um uh just film, TV, commercials, which is uh, you know, putting putting together the the scene, the the imagery, um you know, that can be decorating kind of a a blank space, making it look like something or just bringing in kind of character or kind of something specific for the the lookbook or the prompt uh to make it match kind of what the but the directors or the producers are going for.
Mindy: That kind of sounds like a match made in heaven for you and your skills.
Guest: Yeah, you know, I I they really do go together, um in a way that, you know, informs one another, makes me excited about things. Um, you know, I like to work on period piece films. Uh I have done those before and you know, working, I’ve worked in old historic homes in in Pasadena and, um, you know, really gotten to to kind of live the fantasy of, you know, the 1960s diner, the 1800s mansion and, you know, so living in those things also, yeah, like you said kind of feeds into, um, you know, the appreciation for these furnitures from different eras.
Mindy: You need to connect with somebody who’s already doing flipping in your area and help them make their house beautiful because there’s lots of people who can do the construction but have no idea what how to make it pretty.
Guest: Yeah, you know, I that again, you know, kind of a a dream, something that I’m, you know, I’m thinking about committing full-time to. Um, I was thinking kind of timeline wise, start of next year really, uh, diving into certain aspects of that and and seeing what I can do with it.
Scott: Kyle, thank you so much for joining us today. This has been really fascinating. It’s really inspiring to see this incredible side hustle you’ve built here. And you can see how the skills that you’re developing are just going to be so like compoundingly valuable to you for the rest of your life, both in if you ever want to make money uh in these things, which you already are, um uh and and scaling that, and in just making your environment one more wonderful for you to be in. Um so it’s just and it’s just it’s just value add to the world. You’re just taking stuff that people don’t want and then turning it into um items that are really valuable that people are going to use and cherish. So thank you for doing that. Where can people find out more about you and follow uh your journey?
Guest: Yeah, um you know, uh thank you again for for having me as well. You know, you can follow me, my @ is the same at EverythingIt’s KyleWilliamArt uh on Instagram, uh, TikTok and and YouTube. Uh, you know, and I try to try to keep uh pretty consistent with with posting and updating on there and uh like I said, trying to teach people’s skills and uh really stressing, like you mentioned, kind of sustainability of of using these things that nobody wants and and making them into things that people will cherish.
Mindy: Awesome. I am going to go follow you on Instagram and TikTok right now. Thank you so much for your time, Kyle, and we will talk to you soon.
Guest: Yeah, thank you so much. I hope you uh both have a great rest of your day.
Scott: All right, that was Kyle William. Mindy, what do you think?
Mindy: Scott, I love this episode. I love what he’s doing with taking these formerly beautiful, now a little tarnished furniture pieces and making them beautiful once again. And something we didn’t cover in this episode is that he’s actually keeping things out of the landfill. There it breaks my heart to see so much stuff go to the dump, go to the garbage. And instead of doing that, people are putting it on Craigslist and Facebook marketplace, and then he’s coming in, taking it, making it beautiful, and selling it to somebody who may not have looked at it twice when it was in its former condition. So, not only is he making things beautiful and making money, he’s also helping the environment by keeping things out of the landfill. So, I love it even more. But I had a great time with this show. Scott, what did you think of the episode?
Scott: Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. I I again, I said it’s a service to society to take these items that would otherwise get thrown away and repurpose them so they’re going to be loved and cherished by people. It’s a profit center for him and it’s a training ground for skills that will compound in value throughout his life, um, along this. It’s also a lifetime pursuit. This is not something that will be like going away in the next 10 years, you know, um or, you know, whatever. You can imagine, you know, Kyle’s version of future financial independence and what that would look like and how much even more uh accelerating that that would do. So, it was just really inspiring and I think that uh, um anybody can learn what he’s doing and follow in his footsteps if they want to have the nice things in life, have a really great side hustle, and develop skills that will be really helpful to a real estate investor, for example.
Mindy: Yeah, go check out his sites. They are absolutely gorgeous. We just barely touched the surface today. Kyle William Art at all the places that he mentioned. All right, Scott, you ready to get out of here?
Scott: Let’s do it.
Mindy: That wraps up this episode of the Bigger Pockets Money podcast. He of course is the Scott Trench, and I am Mindy Jensen saying, with love, dove.
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Mindy: Bigger Pockets Money was created by Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench, produced by Kalin Bennett, editing by Exodus Media, copywriting by Nate Winetraub. Lastly, a big thank you to the Bigger Pockets team for making the show possible.
